End Of Days – Norio Hayakawa |Dulce Underground Base|Michael Savage|Coast To Coast A.M.|EOD 25
Michael introduces us to the program, reminding us that it airs live every Saturday night at 7:30 PM Pacific Time on TuneIn Radio. Just search “end of days.” The podcast version of this show can be found on iTunes, Stitcher, SoundCloud, and Google Play.
Tonight’s guest is Norio Hayakawa who has spent decades investigating Area 51 and UFOs. One of his main focuses has been on the alleged secret base in Dulce, New Mexico, as well as cattle mutilations in that area. In 1990, he created the Civilian Intelligence News Service which he calls “a citizens’ oversight committee on government accountability, a grassroots watchdog group established to help ensure liberty, justice and freedom of information for all.”
Michael thanks everyone for taking the red pill tonight and reminds everyone that this is a call-in show.
Norio joins the program and right away informs us that on April 18 he’ll be giving a 90-minute presentation in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, titled “Area 51 in Nevada and Dulce, New Mexico – Reality vs. Myths” {https://noriohayakawa.wordpress.com/2017/01/31/area-51-in-nevada-and-dulce-new-mexico-reality-versus-myths/}. Michael then speaks to us in Spanish.
When Michael asks Norio to give us a little background about himself, Norio says that isn’t important. He says people’s descriptions of him are inaccurate. He says he’s the last person to say he’s an expert in this field.
Norio’s interest in this subject stems from his father seeing a green ball of fire in the sky while fishing in Japan in 1947. This experience had a deep impact on him. Norio says that he too has seen what he calls “unexplainable lights” in the sky, and cautions us that he’s a strong believer in physical reality. He explains he was influenced by the late Carl Sagan, especially his last book, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark {http://amzn.to/2nANRFS}. Norio claims, “We are living in a society of darkness,” to which Michael agrees.
After the obligatory discussion about the futility of disclosure, talk turns to myths and beliefs and religion. Norio tells us he was into something called Charismatic Renewal, or the Charismatic Movement. But then he began to devour books by Jacques Vallee {http://amzn.to/2nSNySX} and John A. Keel {http://amzn.to/2np7oZC}, which changed his view of the UFO phenomenon.
The topic of UFO conferences comes up. Norio sees them as entertainment. He calls it “the UFO industry.” It’s nothing but a show. There’s nothing scientific about them.
Michael asks Norio his thoughts on the Phoenix Lights incident.
Norio bases everything on hard, tangible, solid evidence, and he sees no proof that UFOs are physical. He says Vallee never stated that UFOs were physically real, they just *seem* to be real. That’s how Norio feels too. He reminds us that it’s been going on for ages, yet there’s no conclusive physical proof. He says UFOs are part of nonphysical reality. Carl Sagan warned us that our beliefs in myths have undermined America’s true pursuit of science.
He’s been to Dulce many times and he’s yet to see evidence of an underground base. He reminds us that people survive on myths and beliefs.
Michael brings up the topic of NASA cutting off their live feeds. Norio says this proves nothing.
He now lives near Albuquerque, having relocated from Los Angeles. He tells us that New Mexico has the highest number of scientists per population of anywhere in the United States. It’s the fifth largest state but the population is only two million, which provides lots of room to conduct military tests. It’s the site of the first atomic test in the world and White Sands Missile Range. He also mentions the paranormal beliefs of the Native Americans in the area.
Norio says that religious people tend to believe in the paranormal and scientific people believe in the physical reality of things.
Talk then turns to abductions and cattle mutilations, which has Norio delving into the psychological aspect of the phenomena. Until there’s tangible evidence, they’re just stories.
Michaels question about cattle mutilations causes Norio to bring up 1967’s Operation Plowshare possibly interfering with the alien presence in Dulce. He says it’s not about aliens it’s about a health issue. He explains how it has affected people and animals and its devastating impact on the environment.
So, Norio’s stance is that Dulce is not about aliens it’s about a very important health issue. He sees the underground bases as overshadowing the real issue which is that radiation is making people sick with cancer. This pertains to the entire Dulce area. There was no coverup, it was just overshadowed by stories of underground bases.
Michael then brings up the Fukushima disaster in 2011. Norio points out there are no young people there – one in three people are over the age of 65. There was a baby boom after World War II, but now no one is having kids.
Norio discusses the last time he was in Japan and what’s in store for the future there, including the 2020 Olympics. Michael asks about the UFO sightings there and what the hell is with their fascination with gangster rap. Then talk briefly turns to random topics such as cars and Donald Trump.
Norio’s website is noriohayakawa.wordpress.com. There you’ll find photos of the “moonscape” areas, around 20 miles from his home in Rio Rancho. He tells us that New Mexico truly is the “Land of Enchantment” and invites Michael to visit and see for himself.
Michael then asks Norio his opinion on Paul Bennewitz, Richard Doty, Phil Schneider, Bob Lazar, John Lear, Bill Cooper, and Hillary Clinton.
Norio is on Facebook under the name Norio F. Hayakawa.
After the break, Michael got personal, telling us how he became interested in radio. It began back in 1998 when he’d scan the airwaves late at night on his Walkman. His favorite show was Loveline, with Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla. He loved the unpredictability of the callers. That’s why he’s always wanted to do a call-in show. Michael says he originally wanted to be a psychologist or a counselor. Then he heard another show – two male voices talking to each other in the night. It was none other than Art Bell and Stan Deyo. The show was Coast to Coast AM.
This Monday night {March 20, 2017} Michael will be featured on that very show, Coast to Coast AM. During the first hour he’s be talking to George Noory about this show, The Michael Decon Program. He invites everyone to listen live at 10:00 PM Pacific Time on coasttocoastam.com, iHeart Radio, or on one of the 560+ radio stations across the country. Here’s the map: coasttocoastam.com/stations.
Then Michael fills us in on the various countries around the world who tune into this show live. He also touches on current events, including Michael Weiner, aka Michael Savage.
There won’t be a show this Saturday night as Michael will be out of town. Please check the website, michaeldecon.com, for updates to the show schedule.
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